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August 23, 2008 at 4:24 pm #262045
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I finally got my sons current iep,and can someone please tell me
where to locate a behavior plan and a sensory diet(if thereis one to
find) as i don’t see either one,and he was supposed to have a sensory
diet in place last year!
also the school knows that my son is adhd non-medicated,due to his
kidney damage,but yet they say things in the iep like:”he responds
well to social skills designed to minimize problematic
behaviors,however he demonstrates signficant difficulty applying
these skills in real-life situations at school.any lack of
progressmay be attributed to difficuties exacerbated to his
impulsivity,distractiblity,ablity to sustain focused attention,the
need for frequent movement,and problems organzinghis thoughtsand
carrying out his plans.”
now knowing they know his situation on the non-med issue,shouldn’t
they be able to do something to help children who are not medicated?
i know my son is not the only child out there who doesn’t take meds
for adhd and they are learning and coping in school.also the
refrence above is clearly “reading between the lines”for saying
adhd,should they keep harping on this issue?
be trying to find ways to help him?
also here is another thing thats got me miffed in his iep:”negitive
behaviors occur more frequently in less structured settings such as
lunch,recess and on the bus.”i was told by my son that when the bell
rings at 3:05,everyone leaves.He told me there is no “bus duty
teacher”or anyone to watch him until he gets on the bus.I asked him
what would happen if someone bullied you or bother you who would you
tell?He just shrugged his shoulders and said I guess I have to
handle it my self? With what was stated inthe iep above,should he be
just left to “handle it” his self?he does sit in the front by the
bus driver,but still i would think the school should be better
organized then that!are they waiting for something to happen before
they do something and then they tend to blame the child with
the “sn’s”over the other kid?
i was also remembering that in 3rd grade,he was in resource,and he
had a regular Home Room amd was able to go to art and mucis,as well
as P.E.,then in fourth it went to resource and “slc”(which i always
thought was resource,found out this year it was a “slc” and he went
to art,music,and p.e.
backwards instead of forwards! he has always been on the honor roll
and i remember that if you weren’t failing that you would keep moving
ahead little by little to full mainstream classes but he is going
backwards!my daughter had mild adhd and they did not consider her for
medication either,she had resource classes up till high school,she
never learned multiplication or any thing after that,the teacher said
that she knows it she just doesn’t want to do it,i didn’t believe
that as when i was a child,i was delayed in reading as well as
math,but something they did clicked and i got the hang of reading and
read quite well,but i never learned anything futher then
multiplication(knowing all except 6,7,8,9,)I could never memorize or
learn them and tot his day I have a block when it comes to them.I
haven’t got any futher in math either,but I graduated 12th grade!
How?? If anyone cared and saw me struggling it wasn’t known and I
slipped through the school system,as for my daughter she dropped out
in her last year ,she would of slipped throgh as well if she
continued. I was mainstreamed,my daughter had all regular classes
except math.
to my son,of course my son has more problems then either of us but
something has to be done to help him.It just seems like they put him
in there becaus ethey didn’t know where to place him!When I go to
these IEP meetings I feel so nervous,and frustrated because usally,I
feel they are all against me and I have no idea what the darn papers
mean,I hate going to these mettings.I do have a lady who will be
going with me from the Disablity Coaliation. I hope with her there
she can get something done.Cause every day its a diffrent story!
Any advice,opinions or suggestions are welcomed,I am in
Searcy,Arkansas.I know of no other support groups/advocates besides
The Disablity Coaliation.Thanks -
August 23, 2008 at 7:51 pm #397995
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the next part of the plan should outline in detail how and what will happen when his attention span, or impulsivity becomes a problem in his ability to learn. what exact steps may and should the teachers take to redirect, or help him focus?
what teaching techniques are they modifying to help teach him with his handicap? are they implementing things such as a computer or tape recorder or? any other identified methods of aiding this child to learn.
these kids let loose in unstructured times and this is common. it is nothing to be offended about.
an iep (individualized educational plan) should 1.- show the handicapping conditions and problems. 2.- show the strengths and weaknesses of the child
3.- have a multi-faceted behavior plan to deal with each behavior.however, a good teacher is better than a perfect iep anyday, and a good teacher can work with a bad iep and do well. however, most teachers are overloaded, and lost. they need a good iep to follow. you must become the teacher’s best friend, explaining what works and what doesn’t work and helping the teachers to work efficiently with the child.
the needs of the child by both federal and state laws must come first in the iep. no needs of school, teacher or parent may supersede the needs of that child. remember that and always come back to the needs of the child…….
p.s. some of my suggestions based on what you have said.
i would suggest based on their own words that they have your son in a role playing support group to learn the skills that he needs to have …
medication is not the school’s business.
this is a medical decision…….end of question. they must work with what they have. they can’t demand and should drop this subject.
and they have no right none what so ever to harp on this. they are looking for a smooth easy solution for them. again ……
only the needs of the child matter…. keeping that in focus makes the iep creation easier and it in the end works for all, the school, teachers, mom and the kid.
usually the bus is run by someone outside the school, but the school is not off the hook. your son has the right to be free of harassment and fear.
you have to get this into the iep or it does not have to happen.
tell your lady from the coalition all that you have written here. tell her all your concerns.
get as much in writing as you can. this is maddening and you almost have to be a lawyer, but you can do this. you just have to know that you and your son have these rights and then demand them.
tell yourself you can do this… and your son is worth doing it for…
and don’t let anyone intimidate you. ask questions about the paper work. actually the law says that the school must educate you…..as to your rights….so it is their responsibility that you understand the paper work.
you can stop it if you get overwhelmed and tell them that you want to come back and to reschedule to continue. that is also the law. hang in there (((((((hugs)))))) dash
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August 23, 2008 at 11:17 pm #397989
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I ran into a road block like this, and pulled my son out of school. You might want to think about homeschooling. You can teach him 100% better than they can…
If you need any advice on how to do this, I know it’s scary, but think about your child.
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August 24, 2008 at 7:30 pm #397991
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a great day and god bless-fairlee -
August 24, 2008 at 7:33 pm #397988
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hey there dash! thanks for your help! slc is a structured learning class and the thing that gets me is that he is going backwards instead of forwards!
i didnt know alot of what you meationed could be done,they never suggest anything like you have meationed here! -
August 24, 2008 at 8:12 pm #397992
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when you work on the goals of the iep, and there must be goals, and measurable goals at that… figure out what you want…..so that he must move forward and not backwards, and get it into writing in the iep. remember this is a rule of law….
if it is not in writing…….it doesn’t exist….. this is a rule across the board… because the iep is a legal document.
you can make them write it and then take it home and stufy it and think about it and reconvene and tell them what you want changed, or re written if you don’t agree or understand… you have tons of rights.. you just need to know that you do, or you will lose them…
dash
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August 24, 2008 at 8:25 pm #397990
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i had considered this and really home schooling isn’t an option forme at this time.i do not think my son will comply to me teaching him anyways.
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August 25, 2008 at 2:57 am #397993
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August 25, 2008 at 3:12 am #397994
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my son gets tutoring – he does not have an iep or 504. He is ADHD, though and in Intermediate school. However, 3rd through 5th he did get extra help with reading and writing (creative — not hand writing) The tutoring was after school.
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August 25, 2008 at 1:17 pm #397974
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There are discussions about adHd and the autistic spectrum (Asperger’s).
classes on legalities
education resource organizations directory (erod)
there’s a great magazine I subscribed to for years called “Attention” and there were ideas in there for behavioral issues, parental reactions, teacher interactions, as well as food items.
There’s a national organization called “Parents Information Center” but each one is state subsidized & has it’s own website. I don’t know where you live but if you google that name it will bring up several sites.
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August 25, 2008 at 1:18 pm #397975
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Hi,
I’m a spec. ed. teacher and I can tell you that it sounds to me like this school does not have it’s act together.
if he is adhd why doesn’t he have a behavior plan in place as part of the iep?i can’t even begin to imagine why that is not in there unless you accidently weren’t given a copy. i would as about this asap and not wait to another meeting.
teachers are not typically trained in sensory diet issues, so this was prob mentioned but not followed up on. this is prob the job of an ot to incorporate and if he is not seeing an ot (occupational therapist) but it says somewhere that he “needs” a sensory diet, then they have to provide that service.the school system often says they “can’t” provide such and such a service but if it is deemed necessary or they have to by law then they sometimes have to be pushed. it costs them money to bring in another professional to do something for one child. too bad.
your child has the right to a free and appropriate education and the state decided long ago that it was their job to provide that. if they don’t want that job then let them give you all the money they are paid and you can contract services for him privately.
your child’d education is really your responsibility but you have contracted with the state to provide certain educational experiences for him. you are in the drivers seat, not them. ideally, this is a team approach with no animosity.
unfortunately, things like this happen and they have put you in the position to have to push them. it’s not your fault if they aren’t doing their job. you still have to do yours.
just a couple more things then i’ll dismount my high horse!! it sounds to me like they are using the iep to restate the problem, not plan steps to help and solve the problem (or course they may have addressed the problems later in the document). granted, it is very, very difficult to handle adhd children the way the schools are currently set up.
i doubt he is really going backwards, but the teachers know how hard it is to keep the class attention along with all the other demands on them and they have a voice in these matters. remember that he is no longer on meds so he is going to be more challanging to them and find it more difficult to function in a large classroom full of distractions and potential behavior problems. this is why he is getting placed in resource for more classes. they probably really feel he is better served in a smaller classroom with more individual attention then they can give him.
teacher to give support to any children in the classroom who need it. that way the school can place several sn kids in a class together with peers and support teacher. they are complying with the current policies of inclusion but still giving support.
personally, i feel students are better served with the resource model, but how kids feel about themselves has become more important then a good education so there ya go.
hope this helps you, and that your son will have a good year!!
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August 25, 2008 at 1:18 pm #397971
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There is a diet called the “PecanBread” diet. Many children who have autism, behavior issues, stomach problems thrive on this diet. My daughter who has stomach issues was on this for 6 months.
We took a month long break because I didn’t think she was making enough progress. When we got on regular foods, she regressed. It is a cheap way to take a chance to help your child.
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August 25, 2008 at 1:19 pm #397970
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I was thinking of home school tutoring. That has to be on the iep. a child can get tutoring in a good school that cares, without it getting on the iep.
however a poorer school that doesn’t care as much, well if it is not on the iep it won’t happen. hope this helps clear this up. dash
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August 25, 2008 at 1:43 pm #397959
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I’m not sure what state you are in, but Pacer offers info/books/pamphlets, etc. that are free to parents of children with disabilites. They may also be able to direct you to an advocacy organization in your state.
Also, call your local nami office. if your child has a mental health issue which includes autism they also may be able to help you. no you don’t have to sign the iep if you do not agree with it, but you must sign and return it if you do not agree with it.
so make sure if you don’t agree with it, mark where you don’t agree and return it. you also have the right to request a meeting at anytime. yes make sure you get everything in writing.
some school districts are better than others when it comes to special education. i have found that educating myself about the special education process helped alot in getting my kids the services they need. also does your child have a county social worker, if so they should be able to help you as well.
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August 27, 2008 at 12:26 am #398045
iradash2004
A sensory diet. Do you know what that means? I do I think…….
and who if anyone on the iep team is trained in his most handicapping condition? is he only diagnosed as adhd and who did the diagnosis.
or what have you been told? if you don’t know what a sensory diet is, you need to ask what that means. you have every right to know and understand the iep.
as for the behavior plan……………that my dear is what the *^%$((** team is supposed to be doing…….creating it…. you don’t just find it….. good grief……..what kind of crap are they handing you?
i finally got my sons current iep,and can someone please tell me
where to locate a behavior plan and a sensory diet(if thereis one to
find) as i don’t see either one,and he was supposed to have a sensory
diet in place last year! -
August 27, 2008 at 8:31 am #398047
Melissa Burnell
Wow on the sensory diet thing… what exactly is the SCHOOL doing to help in this situation? It sounds more like they are passing the buck. I completely agree with dash,
They are just trying to pass everything back onto you. I would make sure that you read the wrights law link above and DONT sign off on anything unless you are 100% satisified with the results.
Best,
Liss
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