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  1. #1
    maria
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    Does anyone know what the diffrence is between "resource class"

    and "structured learning class".I always thought that my son was in a

    resource class room until I went to the open house this past week for

    the 5th grade. The room well you can practically live in it,it has

    bean bags,a fridge,a stove,a television set,and the class its own

    bathrooms as well! I thought wow,my son doesn't need to be this

    confined! Then i saw some of the kids thats going to be with my

    son,and they seems more severe then my son in his disablities. I

    asked the teacher what the diffrence was and she said basically they

    are both the same thing. I don't know how I feel about my son being

    in this class as I don't want his self esteem to be damaged because

    he thinks something is wrong with him nor do I think he is capeable

    of being totally "mainsteamed" into regular 5th grade classes,which

    brings me on to another point,he will be going to some regular classes

    (such as art,music,and heath) I also went to visit these clases and

    none of the teachers were aware that my son was going to be in their

    classes and that he was in a "Structured Learning Class",How do they

    manage this?Do they just put a child who doesn't know any diffrent

    then "resource class" and let him fend for his self until he shuts

    down or misbeaves? My son has trouble with loud noised and

    transitions and I don't know if he can keep up with a regular

    class,most kids go in and take a seat and follow what the teacher

    tells them to do,weather it is to read a chapter and answer the

    questions at the end,or read out loud,or copy notes,I don't think my

    son can do this alone,his reading is at a 3/4th grade level,he

    doesn't understand what he is being told all the time and i know if


    he feels its too much or pressured,he will shut down or misbehave. I

    know is heath theyt will require alot of note taking and reading. I

    feel like they are setting him up to fail on his own. I don't know I

    just figure they should help him out if he is going to be in

    a 'mainstream class'or atleast let the teachers know so they can help

    him out in some way.What do you all think?








  2. #2
    Rustey
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    Hi, Maria,

    There are offices of PIC "Parents Information Center" all over the

    states & you can get some direction from them. They are not allowed to tell

    you that one school is better than another but they can put you in touch

    with an educational advocate (from state) who will talk with you via phone,

    might even meet you in person, and will go to an IEP or 504 meeting with

    school officials with you. PLEASE if you are not comfortable with your

    son's school situation then DO something for him.

    Good luck,

    ~ Rustey



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    Does anyone know what the diffrence is between "resource class"

    and "structured learning class".I always thought that my son was in a

    resource class room until I went to the open house this past week for

    the 5th grade. The room well you can practically live in it,it has

    bean bags,a fridge,a stove,a television set,and the class its own

    bathrooms as well! I thought wow,my son doesn't need to be this

    confined! Then i saw some of the kids thats going to be with my

    son,and they seems more severe then my son in his disablities. I

    asked the teacher what the diffrence was and she said basically they

    are both the same thing. I don't know how I feel about my son being

    in this class as I don't want his self esteem to be damaged because

    he thinks something is wrong with him nor do I think he is capeable

    of being totally "mainsteamed" into regular 5th grade classes,which

    brings me on to another point,he will be going to some regular classes

    (such as art,music,and heath) I also went to visit these clases and

    none of the teachers were aware that my son was going to be in their

    classes and that he was in a "Structured Learning Class",How do they

    manage this?Do they just put a child who doesn't know any diffrent

    then "resource class" and let him fend for his self until he shuts

    down or misbeaves? My son has trouble with loud noised and

    transitions and I don't know if he can keep up with a regular

    class,most kids go in and take a seat and follow what the teacher

    tells them to do,weather it is to read a chapter and answer the

    questions at the end,or read out loud,or copy notes,I don't think my

    son can do this alone,his reading is at a 3/4th grade level,he

    doesn't understand what he is being told all the time and i know if

    he feels its too much or pressured,he will shut down or misbehave. I

    know is heath theyt will require alot of note taking and reading. I

    feel like they are setting him up to fail on his own. I don't know I

    just figure they should help him out if he is going to be in

    a 'mainstream class'or atleast let the teachers know so they can help

    him out in some way.What do you all think?





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    Have you checked with the school to see if an aide is assigned to him? The classroom may be the most appropriate setting for your son that the school has. Its dificult when the school does not communicate with you. I'm assuming that if your son is in a self contained classroom, he has an IEP. I would contact his case manager and either speak to him/her about your concerns. Hopefully when he is in the main stream classrooms ther is an aide assigned to him. If his case manager is unreceptive you can request an IEP meeting and hopefully get things resolved.

    Sue

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    <FONT face="RomanaTLig"><FONT color="#800000">
    I used to be one of these advocates. The law states that he MUST be in the least restricting environment. Period. So you need to talk to someone, and get yourself an advocate.. Each state must have them. IF you can't find one, let me know and I can get in touch with our state in Wisconsin and get a referral I think. ALSO......you have a RIGHT TO UNDERSTAND HIS IEP..... TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT AND WHY AND WHERE ETC.. dash

    <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #800000 2px solid;">
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Rustey
    To: Budget101_@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:36 PM
    Subject: RE: Budget101.com : CONFUDDLED

    Hi, Maria,
    There are offices of PIC "Parents Information Center" all over the
    states & you can get some direction from them. They are not allowed to tell
    you that one school is better than another but they can put you in touch
    with an educational advocate (from state) who will talk with you via phone,
    might even meet you in person, and will go to an IEP or 504 meeting with
    school officials with you. PLEASE if you are not comfortable with your
    son's school situation then DO something for him.
    Good luck,
    ~ Rustey

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Budget101_@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Budget101_@yahoogroups.com] On
    Behalf Of maria
    Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:03 PM
    To: Budget101_@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Budget101.com : CONFUDDLED

    Does anyone know what the diffrence is between "resource class"
    and "structured learning class".I always thought that my son was in a
    resource class room until I went to the open house this past week for
    the 5th grade. The room well you can practically live in it,it has
    bean bags,a fridge,a stove,a television set,and the class its own
    bathrooms as well! I thought wow,my son doesn't need to be this
    confined! Then i saw some of the kids thats going to be with my
    son,and they seems more severe then my son in his disablities. I
    asked the teacher what the diffrence was and she said basically they
    are both the same thing. I don't know how I feel about my son being
    in this class as I don't want his self esteem to be damaged because
    he thinks something is wrong with him nor do I think he is capeable
    of being totally "mainsteamed" into regular 5th grade classes,which
    brings me on to another point,he will be going to some regular classes
    (such as art,music,and heath) I also went to visit these clases and
    none of the teachers were aware that my son was going to be in their
    classes and that he was in a "Structured Learning Class",How do they
    manage this?Do they just put a child who doesn't know any diffrent
    then "resource class" and let him fend for his self until he shuts

    down or misbeaves? My son has trouble with loud noised and
    transitions and I don't know if he can keep up with a regular
    class,most kids go in and take a seat and follow what the teacher
    tells them to do,weather it is to read a chapter and answer the
    questions at the end,or read out loud,or copy notes,I don't think my
    son can do this alone,his reading is at a 3/4th grade level,he
    doesn't understand what he is being told all the time and i know if
    he feels its too much or pressured,he will shut down or misbehave. I
    know is heath theyt will require alot of note taking and reading. I
    feel like they are setting him up to fail on his own. I don't know I
    just figure they should help him out if he is going to be in
    a 'mainstream class'or atleast let the teachers know so they can help
    him out in some way.What do you all think?






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    dash
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    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">I think a lot of things. First of all YOU as his mother is the Chief of the Individual Educational Plan or IEP. You have a major voice in it. You should know all the answers you don't know. You also have the right to reconvene the IEP meeting to tweak the program if you are not happy with it.
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">Secondly..... YOU need to get an independent DIAGNOSIS of what is wrong with you child. Take him somewhere and get him tested independently from the school. IF you can't afford it, and you request it, the school must pay for it, but they will squeal like stuck pigs..... so you are best off to do it yourself. Speech and language testing for expressive and receptive language and comprehension skills are a MUST to enter into the IEP with. Sounds like shades of autism you are dealing with ... with the hearing sensitivity and the problems with transitions.
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">Thirdly, if your child is autistic or in the autism spectrum it is imperative that he is with well mannered kids because he will mimic what he sees, and hears.
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">You must get some help here.
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">As for what they call the rooms, you need to find out from the school as they can name them what they want I think.
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">You have three things to do.... get it into your head that YOU are the BOSS of your kid....get him tested independently and find out what and who and what kind of disabilities are going to be with him in whatever room he is in.
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">The laws are all stating that he must be in the least restrictive environment so .. that is something for you to remember... I hope this helps..dash
    <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #800000 2px solid;">
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
    Does anyone know what the diffrence is between "resource class"
    and "structured learning class".

    how I feel about my son being
    in this class as I don't want his self esteem to be damaged because
    he thinks something is wrong with him nor do I think he is capeable
    of being totally "mainsteamed" into regular 5th grade classes,which
    brings me on to another point,he will be going to some regular classes
    (such as art,music,and heath)

    I also went to visit these clases and
    none of the teachers were aware that my son was going to be in their
    classes and that he was in a "Structured Learning Class",How do they
    manage this?Do they just put a child who doesn't know any diffrent
    then "resource class" and let him fend for his self until he shuts
    down or misbeaves?

    My son has trouble with loud noised and
    transitions and

    I don't know if he can keep up with a regular
    class,most kids go in and take a seat and follow what the teacher
    tells them to do,weather it is to read a chapter and answer the
    questions at the end,or read out loud,or copy notes,I don't think my
    son can do this alone,his reading is at a 3/4th grade level,he
    doesn't understand what he is being told all the time and i know if
    he feels its too much or pressured,he will shut down or misbehave. I
    know is heath theyt will require alot of note taking and reading. I
    feel like they are setting him up to fail on his own
    . I don't know I
    just figure they should help him out if he is going to be in
    a 'mainstream class'or atleast let the teachers know so they can help
    him out in some way.What do you all think?





  6. #6
    maria
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    are advocates free? I live in Arkansas

    dash <dash4@charter.net> wrote: <FONT face="RomanaTLig"><FONT color="#800000"> I used to be one of these advocates. The law states that he MUST be in the least restricting environment. Period. So you need to talk to someone, and get yourself an advocate.. Each state must have them. IF you can't find one, let me know and I can get in touch with our state in Wisconsin and get a referral I think. ALSO......you have a RIGHT TO UNDERSTAND HIS
    IEP..... TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT AND WHY AND WHERE ETC.. dash
    <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #800000 2px solid;"> ----- Original Message ----- From: Rustey To: Budget101_@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:36 PM Subject: RE: Budget101.com : CONFUDDLED
    Hi, Maria,
    There are offices of PIC "Parents Information Center" all over the
    states & you can get some direction from them. They are not allowed to tell
    you that one school is better than another but they can put you in touch
    with an educational
    advocate (from state) who will talk with you via phone,
    might even meet you in person, and will go to an IEP or 504 meeting with
    school officials with you. PLEASE if you are not comfortable with your
    son's school situation then DO something for him.
    Good luck,
    ~ Rustey

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Budget101_@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Budget101_@yahoogroups.com] On
    Behalf Of maria
    Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:03 PM
    To: Budget101_@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Budget101.com : CONFUDDLED

    Does anyone know what the diffrence is between "resource class"
    and "structured learning class".I always thought that my son was in a
    resource class room until I went to the open house this past week for
    the 5th grade. The room well you can practically live in it,it has
    bean bags,a fridge,a stove,a television
    set,and the class its own
    bathrooms as well! I thought wow,my son doesn't need to be this
    confined! Then i saw some of the kids thats going to be with my
    son,and they seems more severe then my son in his disablities. I
    asked the teacher what the diffrence was and she said basically they
    are both the same thing. I don't know how I feel about my son being
    in this class as I don't want his self esteem to be damaged because
    he thinks something is wrong with him nor do I think he is capeable
    of being totally "mainsteamed" into regular 5th grade classes,which
    brings me on to another point,he will be going to some regular classes
    (such as art,music,and heath) I also went to visit these clases and
    none of the teachers were aware that my son was going to be in their
    classes and that he was in a "Structured Learning Class",How do they
    manage this?Do they just put a child who doesn't know any diffrent
    then "resource class" and
    let him fend for his self until he shuts
    down or misbeaves? My son has trouble with loud noised and
    transitions and I don't know if he can keep up with a regular
    class,most kids go in and take a seat and follow what the teacher
    tells them to do,weather it is to read a chapter and answer the
    questions at the end,or read out loud,or copy notes,I don't think my
    son can do this alone,his reading is at a 3/4th grade level,he
    doesn't understand what he is being told all the time and i know if
    he feels its too much or pressured,he will shut down or misbehave. I
    know is heath theyt will require alot of note taking and reading. I
    feel like they are setting him up to fail on his own. I don't know I
    just figure they should help him out if he is going to be in
    a 'mainstream class'or atleast let the teachers know so they can help
    him out in some way.What do you all think?





    <FONT face="comic sans ms" color="#bf005f" size="4">Maria


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    maria
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    Hi!! I do appreciate the help! If you only knew what I have been through with the schools and the doctors for that matter.He was DXED at the age of 5 by the school with ADHD.Trying to get a doctor to do any thing without a schools follow up is almost impossible! I have gone to a Developmental Center in hopes that they would listen and see what I saw but all most of the doctors here do is look at what tesing the school has done and agree with them! My son is DXed with being disabled due to kidney damage(he has to use catherthers every 4 hours) also I was told he has mild ADHD with Autistic tendencies,he is not medicated,he also has learning disablities,he was taking speech and OT in 4th grade but no one has meationed him having it in 5th and is also developly delayed. While my son was in 4th grade, I wanted to transfer him to another school and the principal there told me they didn't have the staff for my son to go to that school and he called
    the head of the special ed and asked if he was suitable for the self contained class,and the head told him that she didnt think my son was that severe to be in that type of class. So he couldn't go to that school,I was under the impression that he was in resource classroom all this time and was going to regular classes in both 4th and 5th grade,I don't think he should be in the SLC room but I don't think he should be fully mainstreamed either. I just don't know if there is anyother options of classes he can go into. I have contacted Lynley Summers as my advocate,but nothing was changed 4except the cars test was given to him and what gets me about the test is that the school part he didn't show any Autistic tendinces but at home he scored high! I do see alot of ADHD and I agree witht he Developmenatl center that he does have autistic tendencies,but I don't agree with the placement,for I think it can hinder him instead of bringing out the best in him,to this day
    I still have not found out what he is good at or in. I don't want him to slip though the cracks,but I have no idea if there is anyone who cares enough to listen to me and help me do something about it.

    dash <dash4@charter.net> wrote: <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">I think a lot of things. First of all YOU as his mother is the Chief of the Individual Educational Plan or IEP. You have a major voice in it. You should know all the answers you don't know. You also have the right to
    reconvene the IEP meeting to tweak the program if you are not happy with it.
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5"> <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">Secondly..... YOU need to get an independent DIAGNOSIS of what is wrong with you child. Take him somewhere and get him tested independently from the school. IF you can't afford it, and you request it, the school must pay for it, but they will squeal like stuck pigs..... so you are best off to do it yourself. Speech and language testing for expressive and receptive language and comprehension skills are a MUST to enter into the IEP with. Sounds like shades of autism you are dealing with ... with the hearing sensitivity and the problems with transitions. <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5"> <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">Thirdly, if your child is autistic or in the autism spectrum it is imperative that he is with well mannered kids because he will mimic what he sees, and hears. <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5"> <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">You must get some help here. <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5"> <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">As for what they call the rooms, you need to find out from the school as they can name them what they want I think. <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5"> <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">You have three things to do.... get it into your head that YOU are the BOSS of your kid....get him tested independently and find out what and who and what kind
    of disabilities are going to be with him in whatever room he is in.
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5"> <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">The laws are all stating that he must be in the least restrictive environment so .. that is something for you to remember... I hope this helps..dash <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #800000 2px solid;"> <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5"> Does anyone know what the diffrence is between "resource class"
    and "structured learning class". how I feel about my son being
    in this class as I don't want his self esteem to be damaged because
    he thinks something is wrong with him nor do I think he is capeable
    of being totally "mainsteamed" into regular 5th grade classes,which
    brings me on to
    another point,he will be going to some regular classes
    (such as art,music,and heath) I also went to visit these clases and
    none of the teachers were aware that my son was going to be in their
    classes and that he was in a "Structured Learning Class",How do they
    manage this?Do they just put a child who doesn't know any diffrent
    then "resource class" and let him fend for his self until he shuts
    down or misbeaves? My son has trouble with loud noised and
    transitions and I don't know if he can keep up with a regular
    class,most kids go in and take a seat and follow what the teacher
    tells them to do,weather it is to read a chapter and answer the
    questions at the end,or read out loud,or copy notes,I don't think my
    son can do this alone,his reading is at a 3/4th grade level,he
    doesn't understand what
    he is being told all the time and i know if
    he feels its too much or pressured,he will shut down or misbehave. I
    know is heath theyt will require alot of note taking and reading. I
    feel like they are setting him up to fail on his own
    . I don't know I
    just figure they should help him out if he is going to be in
    a 'mainstream class'or atleast let the teachers know so they can help
    him out in some way.What do you all think?




    <FONT face="comic sans ms" color="#bf005f" size="4">Maria


  8. #8
    J Diane Northcutt
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    Is there a university near you? My child was given extensive testing by a team of Dr's at the local university's teaching facility. He has ADHD.
    The charges were nominal , practically free for several weeks of visits. We saw a psychologist, psychiatristand neurologist.
    we had all the test that were available including CAT scans.
    It's worth looking into.

    Diane

    [quote]
    ----- Original Message -----
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    To: Budget101_@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:55 PM
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    Hi!!
    I do appreciate the help! If you only knew what I have been through with the schools and the doctors for that matter.He was DXED at the age of 5 by the school with ADHD.Trying to get a doctor to do any thing without a schools follow up is almost impossible! I have gone to a Developmental Center in hopes that they would listen and see what I saw but all most of the doctors here do is look at what tesing the school has done and agree with them! My son is DXed with being disabled due to kidney damage(he has to use catherthers every 4 hours) also I was told he has mild ADHD with Autistic tendencies,he is not medicated,he also has learning disablities,he was taking speech and OT in 4th grade but no one has meationed him having it in 5th and is also developly delayed.
    While my son was in 4th grade, I wanted to transfer him to another school and the principal there told me they didn't have the staff for my son to go to that school and he called the head of the special ed and asked if he was suitable for the self contained class,and the head told him that she didnt think my son was that severe to be in that type of class. So he couldn't go to that school,I was under the impression that he was in resource classroom all this time and was going to regular classes in both 4th and 5th grade,I don't think he should be in the SLC room but I don't think he should be fully mainstreamed either. I just don't know if there is anyother options of classes he can go into. I have contacted Lynley Summers as my advocate,but nothing was changed 4except the cars test was given to him and what gets me about the test is that the school part he didn't show any Autistic tendinces but at home he scored high! I do see alot of ADHD and I agree witht he Developmenatl center that he does have autistic tendencies,but I don't agree with the placement,for I think it can hinder him instead of bringing out the best in him,to this day I still have not found out what he is good at or in. I don't want him to slip though the cracks,but I have no idea if there is anyone who cares enough to listen to me and help me do something about it.

    dash <dash4@charter.net> wrote:



    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">I think a lot of things. First of all YOU as his mother is the Chief of the Individual Educational Plan or IEP. You have a major voice in it. You should know all the answers you don't know. You also have the right to reconvene the IEP meeting to tweak the program if you are not happy with it.
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">Secondly..... YOU need to get an independent DIAGNOSIS of what is wrong with you child. Take him somewhere and get him tested independently from the school. IF you can't afford it, and you request it, the school must pay for it, but they will squeal like stuck pigs..... so you are best off to do it yourself. Speech and language testing for expressive and receptive language and comprehension skills are a MUST to enter into the IEP with. Sounds like shades of autism you are dealing with ... with the hearing sensitivity and the problems with transitions.
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">Thirdly, if your child is autistic or in the autism spectrum it is imperative that he is with well mannered kids because he will mimic what he sees, and hears.
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">You must get some help here.
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">As for what they call the rooms, you need to find out from the school as they can name them what they want I think.
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">You have three things to do.... get it into your head that YOU are the BOSS of your kid....get him tested independently and find out what and who and what kind of disabilities are going to be with him in whatever room he is in.
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">The laws are all stating that he must be in the least restrictive environment so .. that is something for you to remember... I hope this helps..dash
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    Does anyone know what the diffrence is between "resource class"
    and "structured learning class".

    how I feel about my son being
    in this class as I don't want his self esteem to be damaged because
    he thinks something is wrong with him nor do I think he is capeable
    of being totally "mainsteamed" into regular 5th grade classes,which
    brings me on to another point,he will be going to some regular classes
    (such as art,music,and heath)

    I also went to visit these clases and
    none of the teachers were aware that my son was going to be in their
    classes and that he was in a "Structured Learning Class",How do they
    manage this?Do they just put a child who doesn't know any diffrent
    then "resource class" and let him fend for his self until he shuts
    down or misbeaves?

    My son has trouble with loud noised and
    transitions and

    I don't know if he can keep up with a regular
    class,most kids go in and take a seat and follow what the teacher
    tells them to do,weather it is to read a chapter and answer the
    questions at the end,or read out loud,or copy notes,I don't think my
    son can do this alone,his reading is at a 3/4th grade level,he
    doesn't understand what he is being told all the time and i know if
    he feels its too much or pressured,he will shut down or misbehave. I
    know is heath theyt will require alot of note taking and reading. I
    feel like they are setting him up to fail on his own
    . I don't know I
    just figure they should help him out if he is going to be in
    a 'mainstream class'or atleast let the teachers know so they can help
    him out in some way.What do you all think?






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    dash
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    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">Under the "IDEA" law, formerly 94172 I believe there are provisions especially for the Autism spectrum. Your son needs specialist training and care.
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">I know what you have been through. We moved away, sold our new home, lost money on lawyers and got our kid away from a school that locked him in a closet. A nightmare.... I sued... long story... but I have never ever been a moment sorry we did that....as we had another child to raise and I had to get away from that school system.... I was like raw hamburger meat.... whenever I got another call from the school or a letter I would shake... I had to get away... and get my son away...
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">The IEP is to be written and there is no excuse like not enough staff to fulfill the needs of the child or not enough money.....that is the school's problem to figure out how to give your child an appropriate education......and the team must decide the placement. YOU are part of that team.
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">You need to be more involved and know the answers to the questions you ask.
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">First of all, you don't give any blanket sharing to the doctors from the school. YOU WANT an independent evaluation, so you tell them nothing aboutwhat the school says. You don't sign blanket releases and you don't give permission for anyone to talk to one another without complete disclosure to YOURSELF in writing. YOU are the CHIEF. None of them have as much invested in your child as you do.You can limit all correspondence and demand to sign a new release for each and every correspondence and do not ever let it open ended. YOU have all the rights under the law, if only you know them.
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">You need a decent advocate that knows what she/he is doing... <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">dash
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
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    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">

    Hi!!
    I do appreciate the help! If you only knew what I have been through with the schools and the doctors for that matter.He was DXED at the age of 5 by the school with ADHD.Trying to get a doctor to do any thing without a schools follow up is almost impossible! I have gone to a Developmental Center in hopes that they would listen and see what I saw but all most of the doctors here do is look at what tesing the school has done and agree with them! My son is DXed with being disabled due to kidney damage(he has to use catherthers every 4 hours) also I was told he has mild ADHD with Autistic tendencies,he is not medicated,he also has learning disablities,he was taking speech and OT in 4th grade but no one has meationed him having it in 5th and is also developly delayed.
    While my son was in 4th grade, I wanted to transfer him to another school and the principal there told me they didn't have the staff for my son to go to that school and he called the head of the special ed and asked if he was suitable for the self contained class,and the head told him that she didnt think my son was that severe to be in that type of class. So he couldn't go to that school,I was under the impression that he was in resource classroom all this time and was going to regular classes in both 4th and 5th grade,I don't think he should be in the SLC room but I don't think he should be fully mainstreamed either. I just don't know if there is anyother options of classes he can go into. I have contacted Lynley Summers as my advocate,but nothing was changed 4except the cars test was given to him and what gets me about the test is that the school part he didn't show any Autistic tendinces but at home he scored high! I do see alot of ADHD and I agree witht he Developmenatl center that he does have autistic tendencies,but I don't agree with the placement,for I think it can hinder him instead of bringing out the best in him,to this day I still have not found out what he is good at or in. I don't want him to slip though the cracks,but I have no idea if there is anyone who cares enough to listen to me and help me do something about it.





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    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">Hi, as a general rule they are. Depending upon if you get the state funded ones... and most of the time they are. Some of them charge. That is something you need to find out about up front. Each state has to provide them to fulfill the laws and there is grant money for that and these you don't have to pay. I don't know how all the states work, but call your state capital and ask about them or call your State educational department.
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">I am tired tonight, but perhaps I will be able to do something on my end to find out about them in other states... dash
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    are advocates free? I live in Arkansas

    dash <dash4@charter.net> wrote:

    <FONT face="RomanaTLig"><FONT color="#800000">
    I used to be one of these advocates. The law states that he MUST be in the least restricting environment. Period. So you need to talk to someone, and get yourself an advocate.. Each state must have them. IF you can't find one, let me know and I can get in touch with our state in Wisconsin and get a referral I think. ALSO......you have a RIGHT TO UNDERSTAND HIS IEP..... TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT AND WHY AND WHERE ETC.. dash

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    maria
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    I agree but where do I find a good advocate that is free?

    dash <dash4@charter.net> wrote: <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">Under the "IDEA" law, formerly 94172 I believe there are provisions especially for the Autism spectrum. Your son needs specialist training and care. <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5"> <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">I know what you have been through. We moved away, sold our new home,
    lost money on lawyers and got our kid away from a school that locked him in a closet. A nightmare.... I sued... long story... but I have never ever been a moment sorry we did that....as we had another child to raise and I had to get away from that school system.... I was like raw hamburger meat.... whenever I got another call from the school or a letter I would shake... I had to get away... and get my son away...
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5"> <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">The IEP is to be written and there is no excuse like not enough staff to fulfill the needs of the child or not enough money.....that is the school's problem to figure out how to give your child an appropriate education......and the team must decide the placement. YOU are part of that team. <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5"> <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">You need to be more involved and know the answers to the questions you ask. <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5"> <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">First of all, you don't give any blanket sharing to the doctors from the school. YOU WANT an independent evaluation, so you tell them nothing aboutwhat the school says. You don't sign blanket releases and you don't give permission for anyone to talk to one another without complete disclosure to YOURSELF in writing. YOU are the CHIEF. None of them have as much invested in your child as you do.You can limit all correspondence and demand to sign a new release for each and every correspondence and do not ever let it open ended. YOU have all the rights under the law, if only you know them.
    <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5"> <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">You need a decent advocate that knows what she/he is doing... <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">dash <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5"> <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5"> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #800000 2px solid;"> <FONT face="RomanaTLig" color="#800000" size="5">
    Hi!! I do appreciate the help! If you only knew what I have been through with the schools and the doctors for that matter.He was DXED at the age of 5 by the school with ADHD.Trying to get a doctor to do any thing without a schools follow up is almost impossible! I have gone to a Developmental Center in hopes that they would listen and
    see what I saw but all most of the doctors here do is look at what tesing the school has done and agree with them! My son is DXed with being disabled due to kidney damage(he has to use catherthers every 4 hours) also I was told he has mild ADHD with Autistic tendencies,he is not medicated,he also has learning disablities,he was taking speech and OT in 4th grade but no one has meationed him having it in 5th and is also developly delayed. While my son was in 4th grade, I wanted to transfer him to another school and the principal there told me they didn't have the staff for my son to go to that school and he called the head of the special ed and asked if he was suitable for the self contained class,and the head told him that she didnt think my son was that severe to be in that type of class. So he couldn't go to that school,I was under the impression that he was in resource classroom all this time and was going to regular classes in both 4th and 5th grade,I
    don't think he should be in the SLC room but I don't think he should be fully mainstreamed either. I just don't know if there is anyother options of classes he can go into. I have contacted Lynley Summers as my advocate,but nothing was changed 4except the cars test was given to him and what gets me about the test is that the school part he didn't show any Autistic tendinces but at home he scored high! I do see alot of ADHD and I agree witht he Developmenatl center that he does have autistic tendencies,but I don't agree with the placement,for I think it can hinder him instead of bringing out the best in him,to this day I still have not found out what he is good at or in. I don't want him to slip though the cracks,but I have no idea if there is anyone who cares enough to listen to me and help me do something about it.




    <FONT face="comic sans ms" color="#bf005f" size="4">Maria


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    Nancy
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    There is an advocacy center in Minnesota that has a national network

    that REALLY helped me when I had kids in Special Ed in public schools.

    Their name is Pacer Center (http://www.pacer.org). They offer

    education and advice and have even assigned an Advocate to come to

    meetings with me at the school free of charge.



    Their site says they have national partnerships. Certainly worth a

    try if you are struggling to find low or no cost advocacy in your area.



    -Nancy



    --- In Budget101_@yahoogroups.com, maria <secretwindow-jd1@...> wrote:

    >

    > I agree but where do I find a good advocate that is free?

    >

    > dash <dash4@...> wrote: Under the "IDEA" law, formerly

    94172 I believe there are provisions especially for the Autism

    spectrum. Your son needs specialist training and care.

    >

    > I know what you have been through. We moved away, sold our new

    home, lost money on lawyers and got our kid away from a school that

    locked him in a closet. A nightmare.... I sued... long story... but

    I have never ever been a moment sorry we did that....as we had another

    child to raise and I had to get away from that school system.... I was

    like raw hamburger meat.... whenever I got another call from the

    school or a letter I would shake... I had to get away... and get my

    son away...

    >

    > The IEP is to be written and there is no excuse like not enough

    staff to fulfill the needs of the child or not enough money.....that

    is the school's problem to figure out how to give your child an

    appropriate education......and the team must decide the placement.

    YOU are part of that team.

    >

    > You need to be more involved and know the answers to the questions

    you ask.

    >

    > First of all, you don't give any blanket sharing to the doctors

    from the school. YOU WANT an independent evaluation, so you tell them

    nothing about what the school says. You don't sign blanket releases

    and you don't give permission for anyone to talk to one another

    without complete disclosure to YOURSELF in writing. YOU are the

    CHIEF. None of them have as much invested in your child as you do.

    You can limit all correspondence and demand to sign a new release for

    each and every correspondence and do not ever let it open ended. YOU

    have all the rights under the law, if only you know them.

    >

    > You need a decent advocate that knows what she/he is doing... dash

    >

    >

    >

    >

    > Hi!!

    > I do appreciate the help! If you only knew what I have been

    through with the schools and the doctors for that matter.He was DXED

    at the age of 5 by the school with ADHD.Trying to get a doctor to do

    any thing without a schools follow up is almost impossible! I have

    gone to a Developmental Center in hopes that they would listen and see

    what I saw but all most of the doctors here do is look at what tesing

    the school has done and agree with them! My son is DXed with being

    disabled due to kidney damage(he has to use catherthers every 4 hours)

    also I was told he has mild ADHD with Autistic tendencies,he is not

    medicated,he also has learning disablities,he was taking speech and OT

    in 4th grade but no one has meationed him having it in 5th and is also

    developly delayed.

    > While my son was in 4th grade, I wanted to transfer him to another

    school and the principal there told me they didn't have the staff for

    my son to go to that school and he called the head of the special ed

    and asked if he was suitable for the self contained class,and the head

    told him that she didnt think my son was that severe to be in that

    type of class. So he couldn't go to that school,I was under the

    impression that he was in resource classroom all this time and was

    going to regular classes in both 4th and 5th grade,I don't think he

    should be in the SLC room but I don't think he should be fully

    mainstreamed either. I just don't know if there is anyother options of

    classes he can go into. I have contacted Lynley Summers as my

    advocate,but nothing was changed 4except the cars test was given to

    him and what gets me about the test is that the school part he didn't

    show any Autistic tendinces but at home he scored high! I do see alot

    of ADHD and I agree witht he

    > Developmenatl center that he does have autistic tendencies,but I

    don't agree with the placement,for I think it can hinder him instead

    of bringing out the best in him,to this day I still have not found

    out what he is good at or in. I don't want him to slip though the

    cracks,but I have no idea if there is anyone who cares enough to

    listen to me and help me do something about it.

    >

    >

    >

    >

    >

    >

    >

    > Maria

    >










 

 

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