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  1. #1
    The Victors
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    Default One more question....this time about dog flea and tick product




    <font size="3" color="black" face="Verdana">12.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:windowtext;">We are starting
    to see fleas on the dogs. We don’t have carpet so they don’t many
    places to hide. Our vet recommended Advantage or Advantix if the problem is
    with ticks also, so far we have not seen any. I have spent over $400 on the
    dogs getting them up to date on shots, and on Interceptor so I am flat broke on
    my doggy budget. I have to come up with another $80 to get the last remaining
    lab puppies fixed Friday.
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    <font size="3" color="black" face="Verdana">12.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:windowtext;">What does
    everyone else recommend? I know there are some very strong opinions,
    especially about the ones sold at Wal-mart so I wanted to ask before I risked
    my dog’s health to save money.
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    <font size="3" color="black" face="Verdana">12.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:windowtext;">Thank you again
    for all of your advice!
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    <font size="3" color="black" face="Verdana">12.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:windowtext;">Melissa in Ok
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  2. #2
    cindy
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    Default One more question....this time about dog flea and tick product


    We don't have carpet either and we just had to bomb our house, parts

    of it twice. I have switched from the two big vet sold products,

    because I think that the fleas are developing immunities to them,

    they don't work as well as they used to, at least not for me. I went

    to a local pet supply store and bought a spray there- sorry, I don't

    have the name. It was about 8 bucks and works on dogs and cats. My

    point is to try something that isn't being used by everyone else-

    kind of a surprise attack.

    Cindy S









    - In Budget101_@yahoogroups.com, "The Victors" <dvictor1@...> wrote:

    >> We are starting to see fleas on the dogs. We don?t have carpet so

    they

    > don?t many places to hide. Our vet recommended Advantage >

    > What does everyone else recommend? I know there are some very

    strong

    > opinions, especially about the ones sold at Wal-mart so I wanted to

    ask

    > before I risked my dog?s health to save money.

    >

    >

    >

    >

    >

    > Thank you again for all of your advice!

    >

    >

    >

    > Melissa in Ok

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    >

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  3. #3
    herberkids3
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    Default One more question....this time about dog flea and tick product


    I've heard, and have not tried, that Dawn dish soap is one type of

    soap that can kill fleas.



    You can also use a regular pet shampoo with orange essential oil

    added to it (which can be found at most health food shops), or a

    shampoo that has naturally added limonene (citrus extract). It's

    gentle for sensitive skins, and is supposed to work good on getting

    rid of fleas on both cats and dogs. I don't have either, so I can't

    tell you if it really works or not.



    Without carpet, you may get some fleas in plush furniture. For that,

    sprinkle with regular table salt, let it sit, and vaccuum the next

    day.



    You can also put light colored low edged bowls filled with soapy

    water in front of a night light at night. The fleas will be

    attracted to the light and jump at it, and end up floating in the

    soapy water. Just clean out the bowl every night.



    --- In Budget101_@yahoogroups.com, "The Victors" <dvictor1@...>

    wrote:

    >

    >

    >

    > We are starting to see fleas on the dogs. We don't have carpet

    so they

    > don't many places to hide. Our vet recommended Advantage or

    Advantix if the

    > problem is with ticks also, so far we have not seen any. I have

    spent over

    > $400 on the dogs getting them up to date on shots, and on

    Interceptor so I

    > am flat broke on my doggy budget. I have to come up with another

    $80 to get

    > the last remaining lab puppies fixed Friday.

    >

    >

    >

    > What does everyone else recommend? I know there are some very

    strong

    > opinions, especially about the ones sold at Wal-mart so I wanted

    to ask

    > before I risked my dog's health to save money.

    >

    >

    >

    >

    >

    > Thank you again for all of your advice!

    >

    >

    >

    > Melissa in Ok

    >

    >

    >

    >

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    > 11:14 PM

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  4. #4
    lisa griffeth
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    Default One more question....this time about dog flea and tick product


    I work in a Vet's office- we sell many products, but by far the ones we sell the most of are Frontline Plus and Revolution. Frontline plus has a good reputation for working on ticks in our area where Revolution will offer heartworm protection as well as flea control (less tick control in some animals than Frontline Plus seems to have in our area). For immediate help, there is a product called Capstar that will kill most fleas on an animal in less than 4 hours- it only stays in the system for 24hrs, so there is no long term protection and it is a fraction of the cost of a montly dose of either Frontline Plus or Revolution. Both of these products for fleas work best when put on an animal 48hrs after OR 48hrs before a bath is given - the products move on the skin surface and seem to do best when there is a slight bit of oil on the skin. What we suggest for
    really bad fleas on an animal is a Capstar, followedby either Frontline Plus or Revolution. So far that combination has worked for us. We have seen at least one case this year of an animal having seizures from products bought over the counter for flea/tick control....it was a small dog...cats are especially sensitive to being over dosed on flea products. We do not sell Advantix, so I can't comment on how well it works in our area. We carry Advantage and many people seem pleased with it when there is no tick problem involved- for us, it is a bit cheaper (by several dollars a dose) than the other two products mentioned above. Most offices will sell single doses of flea products- you can get a one month doseof flea control for less than $20 even for a huge animal. We also have many clients that purchase the largest size of Frontline or Revolution and "dose" it to
    make it work for many smaller animals in the family (multiple cats or multiple small dogs)...this will require help to determine safe doseage amounts from your family Vet. HTH Lisa G. Victors <dvictor1@cox.net> wrote: <DIV class="Section1"> <div class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Verdana" color="black" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;COLOR: windowtext;FONT-FAMILY: Verdana;">What does everyone else recommend? I know there are some very strong opinions, especially about the ones sold at Wal-mart so I wanted to ask before I risked my dogís health to save money. <div class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Verdana" color="black" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;COLOR: windowtext;FONT-FAMILY: Verdana;"> <div class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Verdana" color="black" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;COLOR: windowtext;FONT-FAMILY: Verdana;"> <div class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Verdana" color="black" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;COLOR: windowtext;FONT-FAMILY: Verdana;"> <div class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Verdana" color="black" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;COLOR: windowtext;FONT-FAMILY: Verdana;">Melissa in Ok <div class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Verdana" color="black" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;COLOR: windowtext;FONT-FAMILY: Verdana;">
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  5. #5
    cath359@aol.com
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    Default One more question....this time about dog flea and tick product




    Well I wonder why Advantage isn't working for us? My 4 dogs have been on it for several months & the fleasare worse than before. We've treated the house & the yard with no results & I'm at my wit's end. The fleas are now jumping on me & keeping me up at night!
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  6. #6
    Kathy Henderson
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    I'm sorry, I haven't really been following this thread, but I wonder if

    anyone has mentioned black walnut branches. We put them under beds and

    couches in every room of our house and it really helped with the fleas

    with absolutely no problems with poisons or pesticides.



    Hope this helps

    Kathy in MO





    cath359@aol.com wrote:

    > Well I wonder why Advantage isn't working for us? My 4 dogs have been

    > on it for several months & the fleas are worse than before. We've

    > treated the house & the yard with no results & I'm at my wit's end.

    > The fleas are now jumping on me & keeping me up at night!

    > Cathy

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  7. #7
    Dee Webber
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    <BR class="khtml-block-placeholder">The active ingredient is d-limonene, & it works as a contact kill, but has no residual properties. It may also be a repellant. We had bedbugs from May to December last year, & Murphy's Oil Soap, which contains d-limonene, killed most of the bedbugs we found in our furniture. It also killed earwigs & a couple of other bugs we had in the basement. Having bedbugs has taught me more than I ever wanted to know about insecticides!<DIV style="text-align: center;"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#CB87FF" face="ArgonThin" size="7"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 36px;"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"><DIV style="text-align: center;"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#CB87FF" face="ArgonThin" size="7"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 36px;font-family: ArgonThin;text-align: center;"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(203, 135, 255);font-family: ArgonThin;font-size: 36px;text-align: center;">~d<FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#A262FF" face="ArgonThin" size="7"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 36px;font-family: ArgonThin;text-align: center;"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(162, 98, 255);font-family: ArgonThin;font-size: 36px;text-align: center;">e<FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#CB87FF" face="ArgonThin" size="7"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 36px;font-family: ArgonThin;text-align: center;"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(203, 135, 255);font-family: ArgonThin;font-size: 36px;text-align: center;">e~<DIV style="text-align: center;"><DIV style="text-align: auto;font-size: 14px;text-align: center;"><BR style="font-size: 14px;text-align: center;"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline">




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    imfifth@aol.com
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    Be VERY cautious about using OTC products (I won't allow my friends/family to use them). They have chemical with far more side effects (including death) than Advantage. Many OTC products use permethrin or their derivatives. The extra money is far worth it.



    Dawn (vet tech)








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    We don't have carpet either and we just had to bomb our house, parts

    of it twice. I have switched from the two big vet sold products,

    because I think that the fleas are developing immunities to them,

    they don't work as well as they used to, at least not for me. I went

    to a local pet supply store and bought a spray there- sorry, I don't

    have the name. It was about 8 bucks and works on dogs and cats. My

    point is to try something that isn't being used by everyone else-

    kind of a surprise attack.

    Cindy S



    - In Budget101_@yahoogroups.com, "The Victors" <dvictor1@...> wrote:

    >> We are starting to see fleas on the dogs. We don?t have carpet so

    they

    > don?t many places to hide. Our vet recommended Advantage >

    > What does everyone else recommend? I know there are some very

    strong

    > opinions, especially about the ones sold at Wal-mart so I wanted to

    ask

    > before I risked my dog?s health to save money.

    >

    >

    >

    >

    >

    > Thank you again for all of your advice!

    >

    >

    >

    > Melissa in Ok

    >

    >

    >

    >

    > No virus found in this outgoing message.

    > Checked by AVG Free Edition.

    > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.25/926 - Release Date:

    7/29/2007

    > 11:14 PM

    >








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  9. #9
    Naomi Knudsen
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    We learned from experience that over time fleas can develop a resistance to one product used over and over. We used Advantage for almost a couple years with success, then it stopped working for us. We switched to Frontline Plus which worked great. Both products work but can loose their effectiveness if used over a long period of time. It's also important to put both on correctly, on the skin under the fur, not easy with animals with thick fur. We tried the method of bathing the dog with Dawn dishsoap and learned that this actually interferes with Frontline Plus and Advantage working successfully, maybe because of washing the oil from the skin and fur as someone else has mentioned.
    It's also important to get rid of fleas in the yard if your pet goes outside; otherwise, the house just keeps getting reinfested.
    Blessings,
    Naomi



  10. #10
    Sherri Booth
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    Default One more question....this time about dog flea and tick product


    I really like the info on this site:

    http://www.earthclinic.com/Pets/fleas.html



    I've read to bathe the dogs with Dawn dishwashing liquid - let them sit with

    the bubbles on them for a couple of mins. before rinsing. Maybe do a final

    rinse with apple cider vinegar- yes it smells but, it will be worth getting

    rid of the fleas. Also, add a bit of ACV to dogs drinking water - don't know

    for sure if it helps but, my dogs drink it and it hasn't hurt them in any

    way - and they don't have fleas. (start with a very small amount or your dog

    probably won't drink it!)



    Also, sprinkle Borax around infested areas (maybe under furniture that you

    can move so you're not just walking in it) let set a couple of days then

    vacuum well.



    I know how expensive the vet can be - hope these things work for you!

    Sherri







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    >We are starting to see fleas on the dogs. We donít have carpet so they

    >donít many places to hide. >What does everyone else recommend?

    >Melissa in Ok

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  11. #11
    Dee Webber
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    On Jul 31, 2007, at 8:07 AM, Naomi Knudsen wrote:<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10px;">We learned from experience that over time fleas can develop a resistance to one product used over and over<BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder">Resistance is an issue with all insecticides that work as nerve agents (they affect the nervous system of the insect, causing death). You will kill all of the bugs that are not genetically able to fend off the effects of the agent, but those with a stronger genetic make-up are able to withstand the insecticide & reproduce, passing their genetic strength on to their offspring. Think of it as people with varying degrees of genetic susceptibility to disease. It is my understanding that d-Limonene (orange oil) products kill mechanically by dissolving the outer coating on an insect & suffocating it. Mechanical insecticides don't have the resistance issues, just as a person can't develop a genetic resistance to, say, being stabbed. Another mechanical insecticide is food-grade Diatomaceous earth (NOT the type used in pool filters!!) I have read that some vets advise their clients to use powders containing DE on pets with fleas. I have no pets, so I haven't tried it, & it has potential side effect issues, but they all do to some extent. DE is a desiccant, &works by dehydrating the insects.
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  12. #12
    Katherine Lassiter
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    The Victors <dvictor1@cox.net> wrote: <DIV class="Section1"> <div class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Verdana" color="black" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;COLOR: windowtext;FONT-FAMILY: Verdana;">We are starting to see fleas on the dogs. <div class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Verdana" color="black" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;COLOR:
    windowtext;FONT-FAMILY: Verdana;">***** <div class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Verdana" color="black" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;COLOR: windowtext;FONT-FAMILY: Verdana;"> The 'over-the-counter' flea and tick productshave never worked for me. Frontline is WONDERFUL and worth every penny. I had a house overcome with fleas once. It was a nightmare. <div class="MsoNormal"><FONT face="Verdana" color="black" size="3"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;COLOR: windowtext;FONT-FAMILY: Verdana;">Kathy




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    Sarah Long
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    I'm a caretaker for a dog breeder and we have this problem from time to time. You can give each dog an injection of Ivomectin (the same type used for cattle/swine) and that will STOP any and all fleas/ticks from bother the dogs. Most vets wont tell you about it because it doesn't cost a lot of money, you have to ask for it. We've been using it for YEARS and have never had a single problem with it. You also don't have to worry about chemicals being on the dogs that could get on a person/child.

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    Karen
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    I've got this but was told to use it as an oral not injection for dogs

    and you use just a little bit like .01 per 10#. Are you actually

    injecting it? Was told this stopped heartworms. Karen







    --- In Budget101_@yahoogroups.com, Sarah Long <sarah_d_ann@...> wrote:

    >

    > I'm a caretaker for a dog breeder and we have this problem from time

    to time. You can give each dog an injection of Ivomectin (the same

    type used for cattle/swine) and that will STOP any and all fleas/ticks

    from bother the dogs. Most vets wont tell you about it because it

    doesn't cost a lot of money, you have to ask for it. We've been using

    it for YEARS and have never had a single problem with it. You also

    don't have to worry about chemicals being on the dogs that could get on

    a person/child.

    >

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  15. #15
    lisa griffeth
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    At the veterinary practice I work in, it is given as an oral <preventative>. It is used as an injection when treating heartworm infection- not something to try at home! HTH Lisa G.

    Karen <karensbirds@yahoo.com> wrote: I've got this but was told to use it as an oral not injection for dogs
    and you use just a little bit like .01 per 10#. Are you actually
    injecting it? Was told this stopped heartworms. Karen

    --- In Budget101_@yahoogroups.com, Sarah Long <sarah_d_ann@...> wrote:
    >
    > I'm a caretaker for a dog breeder and we have this problem from time
    to time. You can give each dog an injection of Ivomectin (the same
    type used for cattle/swine) and that will STOP any and all fleas/ticks
    from bother the dogs. Most vets wont tell you about it because it
    doesn't cost a lot of money, you have to ask for it. We've been using
    it for YEARS and have never had a single problem with it. You also
    don't have to worry about chemicals being on the dogs that could get on
    a person/child.
    >
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